Zerg Hex Forum

Roach spawners take 40 seconds to morph.

Bruta spawners take 50 seconds to morph.

This makes it hard for zerg to react to terran pushes and generally slows down zerg when they need to be massing up.  Why not decrease the morphing time for spawners after Armor 1 or Armor 2 to 5 or 10 seconds?

Also decrease cooldown on torras.  150 seconds is ridiculous.

I like the unique flavor of Community Version as it is - zerg is weaker early but ecos up faster.  Capacity definitely should not be brought back before Armor 1.

I also like the idea of zerg becoming ever more powerful as the game goes on.  But currently there's a point where zerg stalls out in the lategame if multiple terrans are turtled with full gens.  They can easily win with ion and there's little zerg can do. I agree with the suggestion to allow zerg to have unlimited omegas.  It would make zerg truly OP lategame and force terrans to actually try to push instead of relying on ion from the beginning.

Also, bring back the old tank. The new tank is terrible.  It costs way too much for terran to counter spores with the new tank.

A big problem for zerg is space.  There is not enough space to build the myriad spawners needed to keep eco balanced, and mineral containers take up even more space than a spawner.

So why not treat upgrading capacity as building a new spawner? Make it cost the same as the original spawner, plus 20 for the drone that would otherwise be needed.  It would cost the same amount of supply as a new spawner and give the same income as a new spawner.

To compensate for the loss of supply-free capacity upgrades, Wmaster could incorporate Najdorf's suggestion to have a single upgrade that would upgrade capacity on all spawners, but this upgrade wouldn't affect supply/income.

This would make zergs think hard before upgrading a front line spawner, and make it a big risk that will cost them double the income loss if they don't succeed in preventing the terrans from pushing.

I thought NA was bad, but the terrans on EU are absolutely clueless.  I can remember maybe one game where terran actually won on EU.  Maybe I'm playing at the wrong time of day on EU.  When are the good terrans on EU?

A lot of players do not understand how zerg economy works so I will try to spell it out very clearly in this thread, which they can be referred to.

A zerg player's income is the product of (1) that player's number of extractors and (2) the total number of spawners of both zerg players.  In addition, a zerg player receives 30 minerals per minute per extractor and 80 minerals per minute from that player's hive.

Thus, building extractors increases your own income, but not the income of your teammate.  But building spawners increases the income of both you and your teammate.

Your goal as zerg should always be to maximize the team's income, not your own individual income.

There is a very simple visual guide in the game that you can check to see what will maximize your team's income.  Click on an extractor and hover over the blue and gold mineral symbols in the bottom right of your screen. Hovering over the blue symbol will show you how many minerals you will get from building an extractor:

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The bottom number shows you the income you will get by making an extractor: 54 minerals per minute.

To see how much the team will get from making spawners, hover over the gold symbol:

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The number at the bottom shows you how much income the team will get from making 4 spawners: 48 minerals per minute. 

Generally, you want to keep the blue and gold bottom numbers close to even, but never let the gold number get higher than the blue number. If the gold number is higher than the blue number, it means you or your teammate made too many extractors.

By keeping the number of extractors and spawners in balance, you will maximize the team's income, which will pay off over time and is the only way to kill terrans lategame.